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Mar. 10th, 2009 08:55 am
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Continuing my series of quotes *about* LotR and JRRT.

From Master of Middle-earth: The Fiction of J.R.R. Tolkien by Paul H. Kohler

From the chapter “Cosmic Order”--

“But the burden of The Lord of the Rings is that victory for good is never automatic. It must be earned anew each time by every individual taking part. In this effort, says Aragorn to Éomer, man has the natural ability and the obligation to ‘discern’ the difference between right and wrong. Those are opposites, absolutes that do not vary from year to year or place to place or people to people. Those rational beings who would act well on Tolkien’s Middle-earth do not have to stand on the shifting sands of historical relativism. The good is as unchanging above the tides of time as the beauty of Sam’s star over Mordor, and derives ultimately from the character of the One who placed it there.”

From the chapter on “The Free Peoples”

“Tolkien’s Prologue to the The Lord of the Rings elaborates the political, historical and linguistic dimensions of hobbit society in preparation for the greater role it is to play, no longer a child’s tale but in an epic on the grandest scale. Yet at the start of the epic that society is still essentially the same utopia of childhood wish fulfillment from which Bilbo long ago set out to steal treasure. Other races have their sorrows. But before the War of the Ring the whole problem of the hobbits was that they have no problems. Protected by the Dúnedain rangers from the winds of the outside world, they live their tight little lives in their tight little Shire, unknowing and unknown. Scarcely anything in Middle-earth has any idea what a hobbit is except as a figment in old songs. So far as the hobbit race is concerned, the main theme of The Lord of the Rings is to tell how the unknowing come to know, and the unknown become known and honored by other races.”

Date: 2009-03-10 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elandulin.livejournal.com
Ooh, nice! Again, thank you for a shot in the arm.

I wonder, has reality changed, or does age alter one's perception of reality? I could swear, when I was young, that good and evil, moral and immoral, were virtually "unchanging above the tides of time," that men and women had the "natural ability and the obligation to 'discern' the difference between right and wrong." I recall there were fringe groups of extremists who challenged these truths, but the general populace knew when a Wormtongue when they saw one. Not so much anymore....

Date: 2009-03-10 02:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shirebound
Those rational beings who would act well on Tolkien’s Middle-earth do not have to stand on the shifting sands of historical relativism. The good is as unchanging above the tides of time as the beauty of Sam’s star over Mordor

So far as the hobbit race is concerned, the main theme of The Lord of the Rings is to tell how the unknowing come to know, and the unknown become known and honored by other races.


I love those passages so much.

Date: 2009-03-10 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhyselle.livejournal.com
I do like your selection of quotes today. In preparing our youngest son for his upcoming baptism, we have been discussing right and wrong, and it's been an intersting experience. It's definitely making me think hard about my own perceptions of right and wrong. I think I'm not alone in having part of my reason for loving LOTR being the moral absolutes that are so hard to find in today's world.

I sure wish we had leaders like Aragorn and Eomer today...

Date: 2009-03-10 05:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] claudia603.livejournal.com
Aragorn is so very wise!

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