An essay about "fanon"
Nov. 11th, 2005 08:58 amI just finished a little essay about the use of "fanon" in hobbit-fic, if anyone is interested:
THE VALIDITY OF “FANON” IN HOBBIT FANFIC
All of us are aware to some degree or other, of the presence of certain pervasive ideas that are not found in canon, yet seem to inevitably find their way into most stories of a certain genre. These ideas seem to propagate naturally, and so become memes; the term that has been coined for these memes is “fanon”.
In this essay, I wish to examine seven of the prevalent “fanon” memes found in much “gen” hobbit-fic, as this is the type of story which I read and write most often. I will examine the underlying basis for some of these ideas, and whether or not they seem to be valid.
For the purpose of this essay, the films will be treated as another type of fanfic, and not as canon in themselves. I will also examine the impact of the film versions on “fanon”. If I have a good idea as to where the idea may have originated, I will try to indicate that as well.
All of these memes are those which I have seen used repeatedly in various stories, and which I myself have used from time to time.
(1) After the death of his parents, Frodo Baggins’ guardians in Buckland were Saradoc and Esmeralda Brandybuck. This particular notion is found in a good many of the stories which feature young pre-Quest Frodo. Is there a basis in canon for this idea? While it is never so stated in the books, this is a bit of speculation that has a good grounding in other canon facts. We are told in “A Long Expected Party” that Frodo was brought up after his parents’ deaths in Brandy Hall, where he lived at least until he was twenty or twenty-one years of age. In looking at the Brandybuck family tree in Appendix C we see that his uncle was Rorimac Brandybuck, Master of Buckland. Frodo was the only child of the Master’s youngest sister Primula and her husband Drogo Baggins. Frodo had some other uncles and aunts, according to the family tree: three other uncles--Saradas, Dodinas and Dinodas, and two aunts, Amaranth and Asphodel. We have no information on Amaranth, other than dates of birth and death, so we do not know if she was married or had children. The same applies to Dodinas and Dinodas, except they do not even have dates. Asphodel, however is married and has a son who would have been in his tweens by the time Frodo was born. Saradoc Brandybuck was Rorimac’s son, and Frodo’s first cousin. He and Esmeralda, at the time Frodo’s parents died, were childless. It seems logical then, that the cousin--younger and unencumbered with children of his own, would be a suitable guardian. We know, for example, that Saradoc’s wife was at the Birthday Party (and thus may assume Saradoc was as well) which indicates a certain closeness.
Therefore, this particular “fanon” meme appears to have enough canon evidence to be not only credible and possible but probable as well.
(2)Frodo and Merry were like brothers growing up, until Frodo left Brandy Hall at the age of twenty-one. This particular meme follows on the heels of the first one. If in fact, Merry’s parents were Frodo’s surrogate parents, then it would seem likely that the two of them would form a brother-like bond. It goes a long way toward explaining the deep love and loyalty Merry shows in conspiring to follow his older cousin into danger. Most of the evidence pointing to this is the same as the evidence for number one. It is slightly more subjective, but the canon basis is fairly solid for this one as well.
(3) Pippin Took is musically talented. Although the popularity of this particular meme appears to have originated with Billy Boyd’s brilliant portrayal of Pippin, and most especially his poignant singing of an altered version of “Upon the Hearth” in Lord of the Rings: Return of the King as well as his spirited singing along with Dominic Monaghan as Merry, in a couple of other scenes, there is a small amount of evidence in the book that Pippin may have been somewhat musically inclined. In the chapter “Three is Company” we see him singing in the early morning after the three hobbits have camped. He also appears to initiate the singing when they are walking. And in “A Conspiracy Unmasked” he sings a rather spirited bath-song. Of course, while this *does* indicate he *likes* to sing, there is nothing there to indicate that he is *good* at it, except perhaps the lack of any complaints from his companions. However, in “The Siege of Gondor” we have this exchange: Denethor asks him “…Can you sing?”
“Yes, well, yes, well enough for my own people. But we have no songs for great halls and evil times, lord…”
While it appears, again, to be negative evidence, given the innate modesty of hobbits, for Pippin to admit that he sings “well enough” for his own people, probably would mean he sings more than tolerably well. However, the evidence is not so strong as to constitute a probability. And as for the idea that he can play instruments, it is totally a “fanon” invention, although given a person with musical interests, not an illogical one. But it is not one supported by any evidence from the books.
(4) Frodo Baggins and Pippin Took like to climb trees. This is more or less a fanon invention, with very little canon evidence to back it up. It appears to have originated with Baylor’s excellent story “The Care and Feeding of Hobbits”, as well as with the scene in the extended edition of the movie version of Fellowship of the Ring, in which Frodo is shown sitting in a tree smoking a pipe as he and Sam cross the Shire. Against the notion are the several times stated fact that hobbits do not like and are afraid of, heights, as well as this scene in “Lothlórien”:
Hobbits do not like heights, and do not sleep upstairs, even when they have any stairs. The flet was not at all to their liking as a bedroom. It had no walls, not even a rail; only on one side was there a light plaited screen, which could be moved and fixed in different places according to the wind.
Pippin went on talking for a while. “I hope if I do go to sleep in this bed-loft, that I shan’t roll off,” he said.
There are only three bits of evidence, and very slim at that, to weigh against such statements. One is the oft reiterated notion that Tooks are not like the normal, average hobbit. The other is another scene that takes place in the same chapter, a bit later, as the hobbits cross the Silverlode, by walking across a rope stretched over the stream:
Of the hobbits, Pippin proved the best for he was sure-footed, and he walked over quickly, holding only with one hand…”
This episode is a clear discrepancy, which I have exploited and examined in one of my own stories.
The third bit of evidence, which might possibly account for Frodo’s ability to enjoy tree-climbing was Bilbo’s climb to the top of the tree in the “Flies and Spiders” chapter of The Hobbit. It could be argued that this was his “Tookish” side, and that Frodo might have inherited his affinity. It has to be admitted, that although Bilbo is said not to have had much practice at climbing trees, he seemed to master this one rather quickly, and to enjoy himself a bit when he got to the top: not a possibility for the average hobbit.
Still, the evidence in favor is shaky at best. This meme is more “fanon” than canon.
(5) Hobbits, especially in strange situations and times of danger, like to sleep huddled together. In other words, the famous “hobbitpile”. This fanon meme also appears to have emanated from Baylor’s “Care and Feeding of Hobbits”. It is a charming idea, and given the situation the four hobbits found themselves in on the Quest, not an illogical one. Is there any canon evidence for such a thing?
The best that can be said for this is there is no evidence *against* it. Hobbits *are* described as social creatures in the prologue, as well as being very clannish and family oriented. While this is a good jumping-off point for the idea, it is not enough to make it have any basis in canon. Any evidence *for* the idea is rooted in psychological theory. However, as previously stated, the idea is a charming one, and not likely to go away. And since there is nothing to say it did *not* occur, it does not detract from the source material. It adds a good deal of depth to the characterization of hobbits as a race, and of the four hobbits on the Quest in particular. Nevertheless, it remains purely “fanon”.
(6) Besides Frodo, the other hobbits who went on the Quest also suffered from psychological trauma and related to this, Merry Brandybuck also suffered from an anniversary illness on the date of his helping to kill the Witch-king of Angmar, Chief of the Nazgûl.
We really are not given anything to go on one way or the other on this in canon. JRRT concentrated his story of the effects of the Quest on Frodo. We are told of the facts of what happened with the other three, but we are not really allowed into their heads at this point, except for Sam, just a little.
However, there is one factor that seems to me to speak to this issue: at the end of their lives *all three* hobbits choose to leave the Shire and end their days elsewhere--the implication is that Sam sailed to the Undying Lands, while Merry and Pippin are stated to return to the South to the Kings who held their allegiance, first staying in Rohan until the death of Éomer and then going to Gondor, where they died at some indeterminate date before the death of King Elessar. This speaks to a certain feeling of alienation from the homeland they had loved so well, and would indicate that there were some things they had never quite recovered from.
Add to this the fact that though they are hobbits--a peaceful race unaccustomed to turmoil, they had been exposed to the horrific face of war and evil, had experienced battle and pain, there is no doubt that, in modern terms, they would have suffered at least somewhat from Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. Not, of course, to the extent that Frodo did, but most certainly to some degree or other.
The idea that Merry would have an anniversary illness is slightly more tenuous. It cannot be dismissed out of hand, for he also was exposed to, and wounded by, the same Enemy as his older cousin.
I would say that this particular meme is an application of logic and psychology, rather than canon. Nevertheless, it seems on the face of it, to be possible; but it remains “fanon“.
(7) There is a psychic link between some or all of the four hobbits who went on the Quest together. This particular example of “fanon” really stretches things. There are only two pieces of canon evidence that give very slim support to this. The first is that some hobbits, most definitely Frodo, and possibly also Pippin do seem to have some sort of psychic ability. Frodo has a number of prescient dreams, beginning even before he left the Shire, and after the Quest, he was frankly clairvoyant, prophesying Sam’s future, for example. Pippin also, on at least two occasions seemed to have a psychic insight: while in captivity by the Uruk-hai, he sensed Aragorn following them, and took the chance to leave the brooch he had been gifted in Lórien, and in Minas Tirith, he sensed against all evidence, that it was Aragorn arriving in the Black Ships of Umbar. He also was able to locate Merry when he was lost in the vast City after the Battle of the Pelannor, though that, admittedly *might* have been sheer luck. However, as we are often reminded by the author, chance plays little part in the world he created.
The second part is the exchange Frodo has with Faramir in “Window on the West”, in which, discussing how Faramir knows Boromir is dead, he quotes an old proverb: “Night oft brings news to near kindred.”, and he then tells Frodo of the vision he had of his dead brother.
While that may appear to be irrelevant to the question of hobbits--Faramir, is after all a Man, and of the Numenorean line--the remarkable thing about the exchange is that Frodo simply accepts it as a given. This saying seems to be known and agreed to by him. That there should be such a link between kin is not a strange notion to him, nor something to scoff at or doubt. This, to me, is far more telling than Faramir’s actual experience.
As to whether this “fanon” idea has enough evidence to give it a probability, I should say not. It does, however have enough evidence to give it credence as a possibility, as long as it is not stretched too far.
There are any number of other “fanon” notions. Those writers who are well-versed in the books, or have been writing for some time may recognize when such a meme has validity in canon or not. The choice of whether to *use* these elements should become a conscious one, and not an unconscious one. Learning to examine such things in the light of original source material should be something one is unafraid to do.
Newer writers, who are recently come to both the books and to fanfic would do well, when they come across ideas that seem familiar, to check with the original material and see whether this is truly so. Again, this is not to say that such notions should not be used--only used with caution.
New ideas about the original stories are part of what fanfiction is all about. If such ideas add to canon without detracting from what is already there, that is all to the good. “Fanon” can add a lot to one’s deeper understanding of the original canon, but it should never be seen as a substitute for canon.
THE VALIDITY OF “FANON” IN HOBBIT FANFIC
All of us are aware to some degree or other, of the presence of certain pervasive ideas that are not found in canon, yet seem to inevitably find their way into most stories of a certain genre. These ideas seem to propagate naturally, and so become memes; the term that has been coined for these memes is “fanon”.
In this essay, I wish to examine seven of the prevalent “fanon” memes found in much “gen” hobbit-fic, as this is the type of story which I read and write most often. I will examine the underlying basis for some of these ideas, and whether or not they seem to be valid.
For the purpose of this essay, the films will be treated as another type of fanfic, and not as canon in themselves. I will also examine the impact of the film versions on “fanon”. If I have a good idea as to where the idea may have originated, I will try to indicate that as well.
All of these memes are those which I have seen used repeatedly in various stories, and which I myself have used from time to time.
(1) After the death of his parents, Frodo Baggins’ guardians in Buckland were Saradoc and Esmeralda Brandybuck. This particular notion is found in a good many of the stories which feature young pre-Quest Frodo. Is there a basis in canon for this idea? While it is never so stated in the books, this is a bit of speculation that has a good grounding in other canon facts. We are told in “A Long Expected Party” that Frodo was brought up after his parents’ deaths in Brandy Hall, where he lived at least until he was twenty or twenty-one years of age. In looking at the Brandybuck family tree in Appendix C we see that his uncle was Rorimac Brandybuck, Master of Buckland. Frodo was the only child of the Master’s youngest sister Primula and her husband Drogo Baggins. Frodo had some other uncles and aunts, according to the family tree: three other uncles--Saradas, Dodinas and Dinodas, and two aunts, Amaranth and Asphodel. We have no information on Amaranth, other than dates of birth and death, so we do not know if she was married or had children. The same applies to Dodinas and Dinodas, except they do not even have dates. Asphodel, however is married and has a son who would have been in his tweens by the time Frodo was born. Saradoc Brandybuck was Rorimac’s son, and Frodo’s first cousin. He and Esmeralda, at the time Frodo’s parents died, were childless. It seems logical then, that the cousin--younger and unencumbered with children of his own, would be a suitable guardian. We know, for example, that Saradoc’s wife was at the Birthday Party (and thus may assume Saradoc was as well) which indicates a certain closeness.
Therefore, this particular “fanon” meme appears to have enough canon evidence to be not only credible and possible but probable as well.
(2)Frodo and Merry were like brothers growing up, until Frodo left Brandy Hall at the age of twenty-one. This particular meme follows on the heels of the first one. If in fact, Merry’s parents were Frodo’s surrogate parents, then it would seem likely that the two of them would form a brother-like bond. It goes a long way toward explaining the deep love and loyalty Merry shows in conspiring to follow his older cousin into danger. Most of the evidence pointing to this is the same as the evidence for number one. It is slightly more subjective, but the canon basis is fairly solid for this one as well.
(3) Pippin Took is musically talented. Although the popularity of this particular meme appears to have originated with Billy Boyd’s brilliant portrayal of Pippin, and most especially his poignant singing of an altered version of “Upon the Hearth” in Lord of the Rings: Return of the King as well as his spirited singing along with Dominic Monaghan as Merry, in a couple of other scenes, there is a small amount of evidence in the book that Pippin may have been somewhat musically inclined. In the chapter “Three is Company” we see him singing in the early morning after the three hobbits have camped. He also appears to initiate the singing when they are walking. And in “A Conspiracy Unmasked” he sings a rather spirited bath-song. Of course, while this *does* indicate he *likes* to sing, there is nothing there to indicate that he is *good* at it, except perhaps the lack of any complaints from his companions. However, in “The Siege of Gondor” we have this exchange: Denethor asks him “…Can you sing?”
“Yes, well, yes, well enough for my own people. But we have no songs for great halls and evil times, lord…”
While it appears, again, to be negative evidence, given the innate modesty of hobbits, for Pippin to admit that he sings “well enough” for his own people, probably would mean he sings more than tolerably well. However, the evidence is not so strong as to constitute a probability. And as for the idea that he can play instruments, it is totally a “fanon” invention, although given a person with musical interests, not an illogical one. But it is not one supported by any evidence from the books.
(4) Frodo Baggins and Pippin Took like to climb trees. This is more or less a fanon invention, with very little canon evidence to back it up. It appears to have originated with Baylor’s excellent story “The Care and Feeding of Hobbits”, as well as with the scene in the extended edition of the movie version of Fellowship of the Ring, in which Frodo is shown sitting in a tree smoking a pipe as he and Sam cross the Shire. Against the notion are the several times stated fact that hobbits do not like and are afraid of, heights, as well as this scene in “Lothlórien”:
Hobbits do not like heights, and do not sleep upstairs, even when they have any stairs. The flet was not at all to their liking as a bedroom. It had no walls, not even a rail; only on one side was there a light plaited screen, which could be moved and fixed in different places according to the wind.
Pippin went on talking for a while. “I hope if I do go to sleep in this bed-loft, that I shan’t roll off,” he said.
There are only three bits of evidence, and very slim at that, to weigh against such statements. One is the oft reiterated notion that Tooks are not like the normal, average hobbit. The other is another scene that takes place in the same chapter, a bit later, as the hobbits cross the Silverlode, by walking across a rope stretched over the stream:
Of the hobbits, Pippin proved the best for he was sure-footed, and he walked over quickly, holding only with one hand…”
This episode is a clear discrepancy, which I have exploited and examined in one of my own stories.
The third bit of evidence, which might possibly account for Frodo’s ability to enjoy tree-climbing was Bilbo’s climb to the top of the tree in the “Flies and Spiders” chapter of The Hobbit. It could be argued that this was his “Tookish” side, and that Frodo might have inherited his affinity. It has to be admitted, that although Bilbo is said not to have had much practice at climbing trees, he seemed to master this one rather quickly, and to enjoy himself a bit when he got to the top: not a possibility for the average hobbit.
Still, the evidence in favor is shaky at best. This meme is more “fanon” than canon.
(5) Hobbits, especially in strange situations and times of danger, like to sleep huddled together. In other words, the famous “hobbitpile”. This fanon meme also appears to have emanated from Baylor’s “Care and Feeding of Hobbits”. It is a charming idea, and given the situation the four hobbits found themselves in on the Quest, not an illogical one. Is there any canon evidence for such a thing?
The best that can be said for this is there is no evidence *against* it. Hobbits *are* described as social creatures in the prologue, as well as being very clannish and family oriented. While this is a good jumping-off point for the idea, it is not enough to make it have any basis in canon. Any evidence *for* the idea is rooted in psychological theory. However, as previously stated, the idea is a charming one, and not likely to go away. And since there is nothing to say it did *not* occur, it does not detract from the source material. It adds a good deal of depth to the characterization of hobbits as a race, and of the four hobbits on the Quest in particular. Nevertheless, it remains purely “fanon”.
(6) Besides Frodo, the other hobbits who went on the Quest also suffered from psychological trauma and related to this, Merry Brandybuck also suffered from an anniversary illness on the date of his helping to kill the Witch-king of Angmar, Chief of the Nazgûl.
We really are not given anything to go on one way or the other on this in canon. JRRT concentrated his story of the effects of the Quest on Frodo. We are told of the facts of what happened with the other three, but we are not really allowed into their heads at this point, except for Sam, just a little.
However, there is one factor that seems to me to speak to this issue: at the end of their lives *all three* hobbits choose to leave the Shire and end their days elsewhere--the implication is that Sam sailed to the Undying Lands, while Merry and Pippin are stated to return to the South to the Kings who held their allegiance, first staying in Rohan until the death of Éomer and then going to Gondor, where they died at some indeterminate date before the death of King Elessar. This speaks to a certain feeling of alienation from the homeland they had loved so well, and would indicate that there were some things they had never quite recovered from.
Add to this the fact that though they are hobbits--a peaceful race unaccustomed to turmoil, they had been exposed to the horrific face of war and evil, had experienced battle and pain, there is no doubt that, in modern terms, they would have suffered at least somewhat from Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. Not, of course, to the extent that Frodo did, but most certainly to some degree or other.
The idea that Merry would have an anniversary illness is slightly more tenuous. It cannot be dismissed out of hand, for he also was exposed to, and wounded by, the same Enemy as his older cousin.
I would say that this particular meme is an application of logic and psychology, rather than canon. Nevertheless, it seems on the face of it, to be possible; but it remains “fanon“.
(7) There is a psychic link between some or all of the four hobbits who went on the Quest together. This particular example of “fanon” really stretches things. There are only two pieces of canon evidence that give very slim support to this. The first is that some hobbits, most definitely Frodo, and possibly also Pippin do seem to have some sort of psychic ability. Frodo has a number of prescient dreams, beginning even before he left the Shire, and after the Quest, he was frankly clairvoyant, prophesying Sam’s future, for example. Pippin also, on at least two occasions seemed to have a psychic insight: while in captivity by the Uruk-hai, he sensed Aragorn following them, and took the chance to leave the brooch he had been gifted in Lórien, and in Minas Tirith, he sensed against all evidence, that it was Aragorn arriving in the Black Ships of Umbar. He also was able to locate Merry when he was lost in the vast City after the Battle of the Pelannor, though that, admittedly *might* have been sheer luck. However, as we are often reminded by the author, chance plays little part in the world he created.
The second part is the exchange Frodo has with Faramir in “Window on the West”, in which, discussing how Faramir knows Boromir is dead, he quotes an old proverb: “Night oft brings news to near kindred.”, and he then tells Frodo of the vision he had of his dead brother.
While that may appear to be irrelevant to the question of hobbits--Faramir, is after all a Man, and of the Numenorean line--the remarkable thing about the exchange is that Frodo simply accepts it as a given. This saying seems to be known and agreed to by him. That there should be such a link between kin is not a strange notion to him, nor something to scoff at or doubt. This, to me, is far more telling than Faramir’s actual experience.
As to whether this “fanon” idea has enough evidence to give it a probability, I should say not. It does, however have enough evidence to give it credence as a possibility, as long as it is not stretched too far.
There are any number of other “fanon” notions. Those writers who are well-versed in the books, or have been writing for some time may recognize when such a meme has validity in canon or not. The choice of whether to *use* these elements should become a conscious one, and not an unconscious one. Learning to examine such things in the light of original source material should be something one is unafraid to do.
Newer writers, who are recently come to both the books and to fanfic would do well, when they come across ideas that seem familiar, to check with the original material and see whether this is truly so. Again, this is not to say that such notions should not be used--only used with caution.
New ideas about the original stories are part of what fanfiction is all about. If such ideas add to canon without detracting from what is already there, that is all to the good. “Fanon” can add a lot to one’s deeper understanding of the original canon, but it should never be seen as a substitute for canon.
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Date: 2005-11-11 03:33 pm (UTC)I contend, though, that *all* the hobbits are -- to differing degrees -- "psychically gifted", since Merry's dream in the house of Tom Bombadil seems to predict the drowning of Isengard, and since all four hobbits had a "vision" of Aragorn wearing the jewel of Elendil when they were outside the Barrow.
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Date: 2005-11-11 03:46 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-11-11 04:18 pm (UTC)I think it was last year that I realized that Billy had so completely sold me on a musical Pippin that I couldn't remember whether there was any book back up for it.
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Date: 2005-11-11 04:48 pm (UTC)Well, now you know that there is *some*. Amazing how the right person for a role can add so much depth. I would never have thought of Pippin considering a career as a bard before I saw the films, LOL!
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Date: 2005-11-11 05:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-11-11 05:43 pm (UTC)That's a good one, and I almost included it. I didn't though, because it has so many variants. It's definitely fanon. And it's very pervasive. But it's also useful. LOL!
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Date: 2005-11-11 05:45 pm (UTC)That's very flattering. Feel free to do so.
I have a few essays I'm working on; this is the first I've finished. Sometimes I want to examine things that fanfic won't quite cover.
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Date: 2005-11-11 05:57 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-11-11 06:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-11-11 06:35 pm (UTC)I am taking this chance to do something I have meant to do for MONTHS: ask you if it is ok for you if I add you to my flist.
I am in a bit of a hurry now, but I will come back and comment as soon as possible.
:))
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Date: 2005-11-11 07:18 pm (UTC)But I think you will notice that all the memes I chose to examine were those I use frequently myself.
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Date: 2005-11-11 07:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-11-11 07:24 pm (UTC)Re: Fanon
Date: 2005-11-11 07:34 pm (UTC)The only point I would take issue with is that the Travellers' all leaving the Shire was the result of traumatic memories. Rather, I think that it illustrates the strength of the bonds of love that they formed during the the most traumatic parts of their lives: For Merry and Pippin, love of Rohan and Gondor, of Eomer, Eowyn. Faramir, Aragorn, and Arwen; for Sam love of Frodo, of Elves, and of the (reflected and preserved) light of Aman. Nor do I think that Frodo's leaving was as simple as a matter of being traumatized, but that is a long discussion. The commonality for all four is that during the quest they all came to know and love people, places and experiences foreign to the Shire, and those loves endured, whether the individual hobbit was able to return to and live long in the Shire or not.
I especially appreciate your discussion of Pippin's strong intuitions. Perhaps these moments have something to do with why I find in his first glimpse of Minas Tirith (at which he cries out) not only a response to its beauty but an overwhelming yet inarticulate sense of having met his destiny.
Is it okay if I link to this?
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Date: 2005-11-11 07:51 pm (UTC)I like your interpretation of Pippin's outcry! It's a wonderful one, and does indeed fit in with his personality as we know it.
And most certainly you may. I am very flattered.
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Date: 2005-11-11 08:01 pm (UTC)I also particularly appreciate your comment, however, that “new ideas about the original stories are part of what fanfiction is all about.” That, I think, is what can tend to get lost when Fanon Takes Over: there’s a point at which stories which take a different approach to something within canon are actively discouraged because the fan-dom has become so locked into fan-on.
Like you said, I have read, enjoyed and written stories that incorporated some of the examples you mentioned -- but I would also dearly love to see stories that take a different “what if” approach to some of the questions that the conventional wisdom of fanon seems to consider locked into place.
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Date: 2005-11-11 08:30 pm (UTC)It's funny, but when I posted this at Stories of Arda, the reviews have spawned a fascinating discussion on alternatives to the usual interpretations of Frodo's early guardianship!
It's just amazing what people can come up with while looking at the same data.
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Date: 2005-11-11 08:32 pm (UTC)The one that most often affects me is the one about hobbits and stairs. I have always had trouble visualizing a Great Smials or Brandy Hall that is only one story. They are delved into hills that seem to encompass more verticle space than Hobbiton Hill (which is terraced in at least one of Tolkien's drawings with Bag End occupying only the very top), and I can't imagine a Buck Hill with a single row of windows circling just the bottom, or the great hilly expanse of the Smials being confined to one level—though most certainly Tolkien didn't elaborate on the subject.
David Day has a quite alarming picture of Great Smials in his Hobbit Companion—a real "rabbit warren"! I wouldn't go so far as he does, but if hundreds of hobbits lived in those places, they were either horizontally profound in mass, or the eccentric Tooks and Brandybucks broke ranks and delved UP! I confess, I have endowed both the ancestral manses with staircases—and, on occasion, skylights!
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Date: 2005-11-11 09:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-11-11 09:08 pm (UTC)I compromised by making him a sickly adult, at least for a while.
*g*
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Date: 2005-11-11 09:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-11-11 10:23 pm (UTC)I use this at Brandy Hall: in the apartments Sara and Esme use before he becomes Master, he places Frodo's bedroom in a small inner room that has no windows, to forestall Frodo's creeping out at night to go down to the River.
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Date: 2005-11-11 10:25 pm (UTC)Yet the embellishments can bring so much.
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Date: 2005-11-11 10:32 pm (UTC)But my adult Pippin is rarely more than mildly ill for short times, because of my Ent-draught theory.
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Date: 2005-11-11 10:37 pm (UTC)I like your second idea, that a hobbit with a bit of foresight is special. And it wouldn't be confined to hobbits. Aragorn and Faramir are both Men who experience foresight, and they are special. Among Elves it does not seem so uncommon. And I don't remember any cases of Dwarven foresight. And a Maia like Gandalf--well, foresight would be a given, I would think.
But in JRRT's world, knowing something in your heart or having a prescient dream,is not to be dismissed, but rather accepted as a valid bit of evidence.
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Date: 2005-11-12 12:22 am (UTC)As for the "hobbitpile" thing - it makes sense that they would sleep huddled together during the Quest, because it was the middle of winter and they had no shelter. Must have been bloody cold.
Beruthiel
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Date: 2005-11-12 01:19 am (UTC)Absolutely no basis for this in canon at all, but it's fun.
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Date: 2005-11-12 02:45 am (UTC)I chose the ones that I myself use most often, though, and this is one I never use. My Frodo is a competent cook. He's not a brilliant cook like Sam, but he knows his way around the kitchen perfectly well, thank you, and there are a handful of dishes that he does very well indeed. Just ask Merry about Frodo's stuffed mushrooms, or Pippin about his older cousin's noodles and cheese! LOL!
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Date: 2005-11-12 05:26 am (UTC)I think of fanon as icing on the cake, so to speak . . . just more stuff to love. :) And there is fanon in every aspect of LOTR... you should see how much stuff has been created about Aragorn's upbringing! A ton, an absolute ton. Thank goodness, though, that we have the choice to decide what fanon elements to use. I also question whether one fic can be responsible for a fanon . . . because there IS no such thing as an original idea when it comes to LOTR fanfic. Many authors are writing the same thing simultaneously.
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Date: 2005-11-12 10:12 am (UTC)Icing on the cake? I like that. I think I described it as "gravy", to someone. Food metaphors, you'd think we were hobbits or something, LOL!
We *do* have a choice in which fanon elements to adopt for our use or not. I just think that we should be aware of it when we do so. Also, when someone chooses to go *against* the usual fanon memes, they shouldn't be castigated for it. It may eventually lead to something new in fanon.
Of course, every fanon element began with *someone*. And I can't be 100% sure of my conclusions if I do give one story credit for certain notions. But until it becomes pervasive, people often give credit for an idea they use, which helps in figuring out what *might* have come first. And one fanon element is massive. As I said, I think of PJ's version of events as a large-scale fanfic, and it's very clear that "movie-verse" is responsible for many elements, from the color of Frodo's or Pippin's eyes to the use of certain props (Pippin's scarf comes to mind) or other visual elements. And the actor's interpretations of the characters have also colored fanon immensely.
But other ideas may have easily come up independently by two or three or more people in different fics, and it does indeed make it hard to see where such elements began. I can think myself of a couple of times where I came up with an idea I *thought* was original, LOL! only to find someone else had been there first by reading another story afterwards, that was written *before* I wrote mine. I recall thinking I was being so clever in coming up with the idea that Gandalf had a special guest room at Bag End, and then later discovering several stories that had made use of the same idea, that were rather earlier or simultaneous with mine. *chuckle* I was still rather new to things then, and had not quite yet absorbed the idea of what fanon was. Made me somewhat disheartened, LOL!
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Date: 2005-11-12 02:05 pm (UTC)It's been very interesting reading your essay, and all the comments to it as well! There are so many creative people in this fandom :)
I don't have really much to add, just a couple of little thoughts maybe.
Regarding Pippin's musical talent, I think most is due to the movies: not just for Pippin's songs, but also because of the little band playing at Bilbo's party, in which Billy Boyd (although not necessarily as Pippin) is playing ;-)
As you said yourself, Peter Jackson's rendition of the book can be considered as a big fanfiction work :))
Your point #6 is the one that I find the most interesting of them all. I have been thinking about these issues a lot myself, and the "psychological trauma" suffered by the other hobbits is probably the theme I enjoy reading the most in fanfic. It is good though that you pointed out how to put things in the right perspective.
I have had the same reaction as Eykar, regarding the reasons behind Merry and Pippin's leaving of the Shire as a result of their bonds of love with people and places outside of their homeland, but I also totally agree with your reply. A great, perfect combination of two different points of view!!
Point #7 is also extremely interesting, but it is difficult ground too...Personally, I have always interpreted Pippin's vision of Aragorn following him and Merry as a kind of hope, giving him the strength not to give up. Only when I started reading fanfic I heard of a different possibility. I still think this evidence -as well as the other ones you and others have noticed- are not on extremely solid ground.
But again, the idea of a sort of more or less psychic link between kin (and between close people in general) to me is really more of a fact. If Tolkien really implied something like that, I can't tell. But I am more inclined to think that he did ;-)
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Date: 2005-11-12 03:10 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-11-13 12:26 am (UTC)You do give us a lot to think about. If you do write more, or a second essay on this subject, I'll definitely read it.
Also, can I put you on my friends list. I just started my lj, and I don't have many yet.
Thanks.
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Date: 2005-11-13 05:12 am (UTC)I'm glad you like my reasoning for saying there is evidence for the others suffering from trauma. In one way, the very lack of specifics actually is evidence *for* it, because one symptom of PTSD is a sense of detachment and denial. So it really makes sense if Frodo's the one who wrote the Red Book.
JRRT definitely implied that such things as prescience and a link between kin was something that happened in his world. The very fact that Frodo did not scoff at Faramir quoting that old saying shows that. In addition to the hobbits, we have occasions of Elrond and Aragorn displaying foresight. Halbarad foresees his own death. And of course, Gandalf and Galadriel display foresight and clairvoyance--although because of their power, they may not be good examples.
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Date: 2005-11-13 05:17 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-11-13 05:23 am (UTC)As far as it being accepted--I love seeing new and previously unknown to me variations. It doesn't always have to be the same as *my* interpretation.
I find it rather off-putting of people who scorn someone else's work because they have come up with a slightly different interpretation of the same canon data.
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Date: 2005-11-13 05:24 am (UTC)Please feel free to friend me. As soon as I get the chance, I'll friend you back.
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Date: 2005-11-15 07:41 pm (UTC)As to the canon evidence, I've come across some for myself: Pippin was smallest; also in "Three's Company" he tires more quickly than Frodo and Sam, which for a person in late adolescence is not really normal. And a few other hints. But they are no more than hints.
But I would imagine that she may have found even more evidence than that.
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Date: 2005-11-16 05:13 pm (UTC)This was really enjoyable reading and I must say you have given this a lot of thought. :)
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Date: 2005-11-16 06:18 pm (UTC)There it is. Thank you for letting me post it and please let me know if something isn't right.
*smooch*
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Date: 2005-11-19 05:12 am (UTC)Funny you mention the guest room for Gandalf, because I remember Febobe using this, for example, in some of her very earliest fics, and then seeing it elsewhere and thinking it seemed very fanon to me!
I guess we just have to write what we enjoy and not worry about where it originated... there's always someone who has thought of it first, it seems. And you know... I remember a writer, long ago, getting very, very upset that someone "stole" an idea of hers. Well... truth was, it was so general that I'd thought of it months earlier, too, but just had never written it.